reforms at this point in time, at least a commitment to do it, it will not happen. the one thing we know, if we go over the cliff it will not help our economy. it will probably sent us back into another recession and i don't think anybody wants that. at this point in time, though, for the long term structural changes that need to be made, now is the time to do it, why i think they need to sit down and negotiate, as opposed to yelling and screaming, this is a short-term, even if you -- anything the president will do, it does not resolve the trillion dollar a year deficit and the long term trukt structural things and we have to take advantage of -- facing the cliff, idiotic to begin with, and make something positive out of it. >> chris: we have 30 seconds left, senator, but it doesn't seem like the president an especially, liberal democrats, unions, they don't want to go back to entitlement reform. big structural changes, raising retirement age, changing the cost of living. >> of course they don't, chris, and it gets back to the philosophical differences.